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Buyer wanting to return a vehicle?

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3 minutes ago, J.T said:

I'm still trying to get my head around them writing off a £55k car for having a ding on the passenger quarter, and then also classing it as a category S meaning structural damage. Maybe his definition of a ding is different to mine?

The OP post said the sill, not sure if its linked to the chassis ? It's irrelevant anyway, because the buyer paid for it to be inspected and purchased on the basis of that professional inspection. 

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Wouldn't I be right in thinking that the buyer should be aiming their metaphorical sights on the company that did the inspection (if they missed the damage)?

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23 minutes ago, Arfur Dealy said:

The OP post said the sill, not sure if its linked to the chassis ? It's irrelevant anyway, because the buyer paid for it to be inspected and purchased on the basis of that professional inspection. 

I think the damage to the sill is what the customer is complaining about now, but when asked what the original damage was the OP replied "It looked like light damage, only a ding on the passenger quarter to categorise it as a cat S". 

As with a lot of these posts Arfur I think we only have a fraction of the story, in the OP he mentions the customer wants to reject because of a dent in the sill but later on he mentions that the car crabs so the customer must also have mentioned this at some point. So there is probably a lot more to this story that we don't yet know.

We don't know what was said in the inspection report or what kind of inspection it was, but what would a main dealer say? I'm not sure they would comment much further than saying the car has sustained accident damage and been repaired which the customer already knew, anything more than that could land them in a legal quagmire. The inspection might not have been much more than a mechanical inspection, which wouldn't have shown much up if anything on a 2,000 mile car.

 

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I know the CAT isn't the point of the post and the OP's question. However, if OP bought the car at auction, was it a private entry, or direct from the insurer? If a private entry, there's no shortage of backstreet cowboys who will fix up the majority of damage, then push the car through auction with half the damage repaired. No matter where it is on the body, damage as light as a ding, or even a good whack, can't possibly write off a £55k car.

Then again, we all remember my Cat B flood damaged BMW post.

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6 minutes ago, J.T said:

I think the damage to the sill is what the customer is complaining about now, but when asked what the original damage was the OP replied "It looked like light damage, only a ding on the passenger quarter to categorise it as a cat S". 

As with a lot of these posts Arfur I think we only have a fraction of the story, in the OP he mentions the customer wants to reject because of a dent in the sill but later on he mentions that the car crabs so the customer must also have mentioned this at some point. So there is probably a lot more to this story that we don't yet know.

We don't know what was said in the inspection report or what kind of inspection it was, but what would a main dealer say? I'm not sure they would comment much further than saying the car has sustained accident damage and been repaired which the customer already knew, anything more than that could land them in a legal quagmire. The inspection might not have been much more than a mechanical inspection, which wouldn't have shown much up if anything on a 2,000 mile car.

 

Fraction of the story is true.... 

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Cat S = 

  • S. Structurally damaged repairable

cummon, it’s got grief written all over it . You know what they say, if it’s too good to be true, it usually is,.....

Either

1)not advertised /Sold  correctly 

or

2) buyers remorse.

I know what’s be said above but only the OP will  know the truth so can act accordingly 

 

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5 hours ago, tradex said:

So it was a few days old when written off then....wow I bet that pissed of the owner:blink:

....and written off as S structual for a dented rear quarter, old C and D were usually derived from the cost of repair v retail value, S and N I guess should be a better way to do it, obviously not?

Not knowing jack about these things one would of thought it just have new quarter fitted as normal practice, or maybe I'm missing something here? Sold at 50% of retail, so obviously bought at fraction of that, amazing as insurance companies are usually very savy about these things. As they say everydays a school day

 The problem is now with Mangoletski, isn't it? They were paid by the buyer for an pre-purchase inspection and that inspection isn't fit for purpose, so it comes back to them, one of the reasons AA and RAC sub their work out now?

It was advertised as a repaired Cat S, please say yes:D Has your repairer got any photos of the car? Maybe salavage auction (or vendor) have pre-repair photos?

NB the selling price has FA to do with the buyers rights, just sayingB).

Written off straight away pulling it out of dealers lol. Yup advert clearly said previous owner had an accident car is damaged repaired cat S. No one took pictures besides me but they got deleted. Auction photos got deleted from website  2 months after purchase of vehicle.

surely the price must be a factor as it’s considerably less 

5 hours ago, awc1000 said:

I wouldn't be too bothered, mangoletsi are the oldest (50 years) alfa dealer in the u.k, that should surely carry some weight regards an inspection, and he decided to proceed with purchase after the car was inspected, and it sounds like he got a very cheap car, £55k new?

strange how it was written off at that age for a damaged quarter panel, are these aluminium/ honeycomb /bonded? maybe aluminium structure damage? or maybe it was nicked and payed out on, then found later with light damage?

If it were me i would have another look at it, then if happy with what i see tell him to jog on.

It has a carbon fibre shell, so maybe that had a part to play in the write off 

4 hours ago, Arfur Dealy said:

Let me get this right...... this remorseful buyer wants to reject after paying to have it professionally independently inspected by Alfa themselves ? He also wants to do this even though its past 30 days just because hes just noticed a dent ? 

Is this a wind up ????

Yes that’s right lol, unfortunately it’s not a wind up. Apparently he’s an alfa collector maybe just brought the car and is now bored of it, which I highly doubt, it’s one hell of an animal car tbh

2 hours ago, J.T said:

I think the damage to the sill is what the customer is complaining about now, but when asked what the original damage was the OP replied "It looked like light damage, only a ding on the passenger quarter to categorise it as a cat S". 

As with a lot of these posts Arfur I think we only have a fraction of the story, in the OP he mentions the customer wants to reject because of a dent in the sill but later on he mentions that the car crabs so the customer must also have mentioned this at some point. So there is probably a lot more to this story that we don't yet know.

We don't know what was said in the inspection report or what kind of inspection it was, but what would a main dealer say? I'm not sure they would comment much further than saying the car has sustained accident damage and been repaired which the customer already knew, anything more than that could land them in a legal quagmire. The inspection might not have been much more than a mechanical inspection, which wouldn't have shown much up if anything on a 2,000 mile car.

 

Damage was all down the passenger side and the bumper on the passenger side but the dent on the rear quarter classed it as a cat S. 

The customer took it into a garage due to the wheels crabbing, during that time the mechanic told him that the sill is dented, since the crabbing is normal ( as confirmed by the dealers), his only basis for returning the car is the dent on the sill

1 hour ago, Dave c said:

Cat S = 

  • S. Structurally damaged repairable

cummon, it’s got grief written all over it . You know what they say, if it’s too good to be true, it usually is,.....

Either

1)not advertised /Sold  correctly 

or

2) buyers remorse.

I know what’s be said above but only the OP will  know the truth so can act accordingly 

 

Got up at 6am to travel with the buyer to knutsford to have the inspection and spent the whole day there, car was not forced on him he chose to buy it, car was sold as advertised no deceit

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SIR  I DID NOT SEE ANY SILL DAMAGE WHEN I INSPECTED, YOU DID NOT SEE ANY SILL DAMAGE WHEN YOU INSPECTED IT, YOUR INDEPENDENT SPECIALIST INSPECTION REPORT DID NOT MENTION ANY SILL DAMAGE WHEN THEY INSPECTED IT,, SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU HAVE DAMAGED IT,,,, OFF YOU FUCK

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10 hours ago, BMWbimmers said:

Written off straight away pulling it out of dealers lol. Yup advert clearly said previous owner had an accident car is damaged repaired cat S. No one took pictures besides me but they got deleted. Auction photos got deleted from website  2 months after purchase of vehicle.

surely the price must be a factor as it’s considerably less 

It has a carbon fibre shell, so maybe that had a part to play in the write off 

Yes that’s right lol, unfortunately it’s not a wind up. Apparently he’s an alfa collector maybe just brought the car and is now bored of it, which I highly doubt, it’s one hell of an animal car tbh

Damage was all down the passenger side and the bumper on the passenger side but the dent on the rear quarter classed it as a cat S. 

The customer took it into a garage due to the wheels crabbing, during that time the mechanic told him that the sill is dented, since the crabbing is normal ( as confirmed by the dealers), his only basis for returning the car is the dent on the sill

Got up at 6am to travel with the buyer to knutsford to have the inspection and spent the whole day there, car was not forced on him he chose to buy it, car was sold as advertised no deceit

Definitely buyers remorse then....so you should be fine standing your ground,

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