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  1. 5 points
    I think the forthcoming ban on DCI is a great thing. In theory this should create a more level playing field for us all. Car Supermarkets with little or no chassis profit are earning upto 2k a car on finance commission. The only reason they earn huge amounts is by legging customers up with high rates of interest. The supermarkets will have to alter their business model and return to earning something out the chassis. This should help with auction prices...
  2. 4 points
    BCA are looking at opening a very restricted type of sale , one buyer per account & masked up , but its looking like the type of sale thats for the cheapie stuff just one day a week or two weeks . Thats from the horses mouth when i collected a car from our local BCA and talking to the manager , confirmed by another guy same day too . Online is far to easy for them isnt it Less admin people , less cleaners , No drivers. Cars dont need moving , More car park space , The staff arent in uniform , No Vendors to take care of creeping about . Just too easy at present
  3. 4 points
    I was gonna suggest a hammer and a phone call
  4. 4 points
    Tests drives are going to be the hardest part for me, I can't see many wanting to part with their hard earned without one.
  5. 4 points
    I think what is clear is we need a specific comment from the government - can dealers deliver or not. It should be quote simple. I've emailed the business department and treasury today to ask them, and the SMMT. I'll see if any of them come back with a comment. Might try and hound them on Twitter too. Glad you enjoyed the article and thanks all for your comments
  6. 4 points
    I’m seeing too much conjecture and vilification of others when legally we can deliver a car from an online order, there’s a specific allowance in the legislation under section 51a to do so. Whether you choose to is just that: your personal choice how you run your business, it doesn’t make you some virtuous saviour of mankind if you choose not to either. We should familiarise ourselves with the rules of the game if we want to play.
  7. 4 points
    I've always gone the extra mile. All my scrap comes with 12 months MOT
  8. 4 points
    How right you are! Seriously? Poor salespeople struggling by on £12K before commission. How much sympathy do you honestly think you’re going to get from millions of shop workers and zero hour contracted staff? Bearing in mind the pandemic that’s sweeping the world, are you seriously suggesting the star seller at a Land Rover dealership, who’s taken home an £80K user for the next few weeks, is topped up to their usual level? If so I’ll put this in easy to understand terms; You are an idiot. I think you’ve seriously misjudged the mood of the nation and the seriousness of current world events. If some have to struggle by on £800pm HARD LUCK - there are people dying. You need to give your head a shake.
  9. 4 points
    @MarkTVS @Stillnotadealer Moderate your tone and language or you'll both be removed. The comments above aren't helpful or nice. Play nicely or you'll be removed from the forum.
  10. 4 points
    The new price indicators are border line criminal, Autotrader could not develop software to value owners, so that part of the valuation was binned, Autotrader could not develop software to value service history, so that part of the valuation was binned, Autotrader could not develop software to value colour desirability, so that part of the valuation was binned, Autotrader could not develop software to value spec, so that part of the valuation was binned, (although i do believe there is a pathetic attempt currently ongoing, Current ratio of £10,000 spec adjusts value by £200. Yet the "masterclasses" educate dealers that these are the very things customers look for The High price indicator is also in Red/Amber which was previously used for CAT C, Incase a customer struggles to read HIGH PRICE, we have a speedometer/graph with high price revving off the scale, and if that is not enough of a deterrent, a baseless calculation has also taken place providing a figure to the pound of how much the customer would be paying above "market value", in some cases upto £2987. Absolutely no information anywhere to suggest where these figures are coming from as the Autotrader does not have one advertised £2987 cheaper, so a market only Autotrader have which is not on their own platform, (imaginary). Dealers who sell standard vehicles wont have much trouble with the new system, Dealers with specialist stock have major issues, Which dealer would price they vehicle above market? Does that make any sense, the first to suffer would be the dealer, The vehicle would not sell, Simple. Pricing vehicles is what dealers do, its part of the job, if we feel a vehicle is worth more we clearly have a basis for that, if we get it wrong it dont sell, Autotrader have really made a huge mistake with this one, It will cost them heavily as many dealers are now making it a priority to move away, and it will happen for sure, There must be a case to make with the Office of Fair Trading against Autotrader if a vehicle has been purchased as "Great Price" if that vehicle has 10+ owners, A Service Mystery, a list of mot advisories, beige in colour with wind down windows, a rear view mirror for parking sensors and 4 different wheel trims on it and pictured in a backstreet, How does Great relate to this? The system is to offer customers more transparency, lol
  11. 4 points
    I would personally stick to the detailing body shop side of things and become a total pro at it. Why? Because there's a lack of bodyshops about and the ones that are about mess you about on time / quality or money. This trade is lacking good quality body workers unless you go to the arm and leg insurance type places.
  12. 4 points
    Might make main dealers and super mkt NEED to earn on the metal instead of ripping the heart out of Finance deals and putting bad taste in customers heads . If they have to earn money on Metal us indies will shine through maybe , lets hope so .
  13. 4 points
    I sold one of these a year and a bit ago, was a 1.0 4 speed auto and it has to possibly be the worst slowest car o have ever driven, if the police were on foot I wouldn’t of risked a chase. I had to deliver the car to Aberdeen and made a joke with a lady friend that if I got more than 100mph she would have to reveal her boobs, let’s just say despite slip streaming down hills I didn’t even get to see cleavage
  14. 3 points
    This young guy just arrived from over 100 miles away , no call , just turned up . rang the number on our door , " Hi I'm outside come to see the Golf you have " So we lets him in , there's the car , he wants to test drive it . Need a deal setting up first my friend I say , as hes mentioned a PX outside . 56 Plate 112,000 miles Zetec S in white , Bit Rare he goes so don't look at yer values on this one , I want decent money for it . " Wont be buying the Golf then one thinks " HPI /Experian reveals his car was born BLUE then changed to WHITE in 2010 , Its also got 14 previous owners , all odd tyres at 2mm , MATT Paint , Wrapped Bonnet , Kerbed wheels No History , says hes had 3 years but he'd had it March 2020 . What do want for it then i says 3k mate he goes I printed CAP and autotrader out for him £270 & £295 came out , so how do you value it 3k then , Cos i need that for the deposit on finance . Its not how it works though , tried explaining but he didn't actually get it , had zero concept that his car had a value based on ,condition , service history ,Provenance age and miles . He argued the fact that he wanted 3k for it based on the requirement of a deposit to get the payments down to what he could afford . Plus he had driven 100 + miles to get the golf . But you cant afford it I say based on what i can give you for the Fiesta . Its not rare , its been to friendly with to many owners , its not been serviced , its changed colour , it wants scrapping . Go sell it yourself . "Tried mate no one rang bout it " mmmmm wonder why Whats best you can do on my car then he asks now realising the reality of the valuation system . £50 i say his mate says that's what that other guy said Hes gone to sell it himself , rare cars those old school Zetec S 's , be zero tread on tyres now as he wheel spun down the road They have NO Clue nowdays at all , I remember being 11 yrs old and knowing cars had values based on condition .
  15. 3 points
    "I'm not a messer" "I'm in the trade" "My mates a mechanic/ In the trade" "Can you beat this fake finance quote with 1% APR even though I haven't worked in 5 years and have several CCJ's against me?" "I'm not looking to buy, just to test drive" "So are you a car dealer or just flipping these for a profit?" "Do you take paypal?" "Can I have it next week without leaving a deposit?" "Can I pay you £10 a week?" "Can I take it away now if I pay you half now and the other when I get paid" Take your pick
  16. 3 points
    It’s kind of 6 and half a dozen our bigger truck takes 5\6 cars so if it’s a full load it’s cheaper but that run in the big truck is 2 days due to driver hours and being limited to 56mph, but if it’s just one then we have a single car beavertail which is tacho exempt as it’s under 3.5ton so it can do the same run within 24 hours and isn’t speed restricted. Hopefully going to add a bigger variety of trucks to the fleet as we build our transport side, it’s a fairly new venture for us which we just started to keep our own costs down.
  17. 3 points
    For us long in the tooth traders there is no substitute for seeing and hearing cars in the flesh. You develop a good eye for sorting the wheat from the chaff. Online just doesn't cut it. And no, I don't trust the gradings. The savings and efficiencies benefit the auction house, not the buyer.
  18. 3 points
    Brilliant.Jags to Holland and Yanks back.There was a big Yank pitch near us early 70’s in Newcastle and late 60’s there was a guy from Warren St came up every week to buy Jags.He dressed like Arthur Daley and smoked cigars and just ignored me. Can we have more stories from the golden age please Marcus.The millenials won’t believe them.
  19. 3 points
    Pendragon online with a BCA description ? Good luck.I would only buy Pendragon stuff if I could see it,listen to it and smell it and it would still be a risk.
  20. 3 points
    Love this example for running a business during Covid We are looking for 6 bucket seats for the track cars , estimated cost around £3-4,000 for the lot so not a bad order really is it . Phones this place in Notts to see if we can go out look and collect . Response was amazing , " oh you cant just come I'll send you a text with the information we need " text arrives . we need you to fill in the deceleration of health saying you haven't got coughs , temperature or feeling unwell etc . Prove we have a mask . Use the gloves provided and handwash on arrival omg . Then we only see people at 11am and 2 pm and only one person can come in at a time for 30 mins So I rang back and said I have £4,000 with your name on it , only time I can get is 5pm are you sure you don't want the money . Answer was . There wont be anyone here at 5 pm as we close at 5pm you have the rules so please abide by them or spend your money elsewhere ASTONISHING Be one of those firms in 6 months time that's blaming Covid for putting them out of business .
  21. 3 points
    Might look into you guys when were up for renewal for some quotes
  22. 3 points
    I’d never take investment from someone else wanting to take a piece of my profit while I did all the leg work or partner with someone - personal preference but I like to answer to me alone and know all my profits are mine (and the tax and VAT man unfortunately) If you want to expand can’t you take a bounce back loan or get capital yourself?
  23. 3 points
    only way is to rub them down with 1200 them 2000 then buff with an electric wheel and compound for long term you could then mask up and lacquer the lenses
  24. 3 points
    Just waiting on a quote from Aston Lark and I can’t use Ashley as I was one of his customers at Premier but I definitely do recommend him is there anyone else you guys would recommend just got off the phone with towergate so waiting on a quote with them too think insurance have quoted me 3k+ than my current insurance is so that’s a no no
  25. 3 points
    I see,missing the swapper from the invoice and flogging it to a trader for cash out of the back door.I contend that any car dealer who only buys from franchised dealers these days and never uses auctions is probably using bungs or some illegal inducement to corrupt sales managers.You should have reminded them that if HMRC uncovered that there could be serious consequences for the company.As for accommodation deals or ‘ fronted deals’ as you call them,that is one for the FCA.With proof like that,if you had been playing your cards right,you should have been promoted or given a pay rise.I just wonder what may have been going on with PCP proposals regarding mileage estimates to reduce monthly instalments. Several years ago at a local auction a guy was witnessed using a code reader on Lookers entries prior to sale day.The auction subsequently denied any wrong doing by their vendor regarding the putting out of engine manage lights !
  26. 3 points
    Best bit of advise from me would be not to listen to every bit of advise you receive.
  27. 3 points
    I imagine all of these current online ‘opportunities’ have been there since lockdown. Plenty of the older items I invest in will be the broken biscuits that weren’t tempting when rattling their way past the rostrum 2 months ago. Imagine buying blind & paying up in advance then going to collect these gems smoking their tits off, crawling up the road bouncing off the rev limiter as the clutch gives up the ghost, dual mass flywheels trying to punch their way out of the bellhousing and oil slicks like the Exxon Valdez. As Duncan Bannatyne often said, “I’m out!”.
  28. 3 points
  29. 3 points
    Hi Guys, long time no speak, hope ya' all OK and surviving this crazy time. For the last few weeks I been busy, used the shut down time to crack on with this project ........... It's now running and performing just like it should have when it came from the factory .................. Up there with some of the fastest Supercars, and I've driven a fair old few in my 42 years behind a Steering Wheel, and it's ready to drive and enjoy now "Brutal Savage" is the only way to describe it, and it's only mildly tuned right now, plenty more to give Weather is glorious up here and the roads are empty
  30. 3 points
    Really? I’d imaging there isn’t enough TS officers to deal with every dodgy internet sale, certainly not to investigate individual cases. Bodgit & Scarper will be doing good trade via their £30 phones. If you were a bit unscrupulous I reckon you could be raping the arse out of punters at the moment, especially as plenty of them are of the ‘greedy parasite’ variety - all waiting to be had over. Funnily enough I already know of one greedy **** who’s been had for £1500 over a £2500 item - the greedy are always taken in by a cheap price.
  31. 3 points
    Shitty Focus! Never mind the heart complaint, surely you meant Immaculate, superbly maintained, well appointed family hatchback offering outstanding economy at an attractive price.
  32. 3 points
    I think this is a good post on the subject and in in line with my views. Personally, I am choosing not to trade on any level during the lockdown, this is my choice based on the safety of myself and my partner as much as anything else. But I am not going to criticise those who continue to trade legally within the guidelines. Equally, that is their choice.
  33. 3 points
    God only knows the thinking behind this. Garages are open, MOT stations are open. This was a very bad decision. I don’t see any genuine justification for this whatsoever. As cars are supposed to be roadworthy what’s the problem getting them MOT & rectified, if necessary? Never mind an extra 6 months, I see the state of some of these cars with 6 months left on them. Anyone in this game knows that a reasonable proportion of the public, and it’s not just the banger punters (punters strapped-up on some shite finance deal are just as guilty) have no intention / interest in maintaining their cars - they’re just interested in running them as cheaply as possible.
  34. 3 points
    I hope I'll be back Monday. I'll pass the comments on to Rebecca
  35. 3 points
    Five days ago, i sold my last car, monday, i was days off self isolating anyway, i saw, on monday, that the pm was going to be on at 8.30, so for him to be on at that time i knew this was going to be a big one, on closing monday night, i half heartedly put my business into lockdown, leaving some handbrakes off, putting the cheapest car in front of the more expensive for safety,but not doing anything drastic, hoping for the best, thinking, like you all probably have, there may be some cheap cars out there to put to one side for a month [ now you can't even buy them ]. At just gone 8.30, my arse fell out [ sorry, that means gobsmacked ! ] realising straight away that non essential, means me ! All this week has been spent following the news, catching up on gov websites [ changing hourly so constantly refreshing] and coming on here to see other peoples plans. Fast forward to tonight, friday, and reflecting on the week, the government has worked so dam hard to keep some hope up, and money in peoples pockets, whilst still reminding us to isolate, all credit to them, they must be shattered, and of course the nhs. Tonight, a thing i did half heartedly on monday, i have wrote down a plan for a full lockdown on my business, there will be a visit tomorrow to put this plan into action, it covers security, vermin, full lock up of all tools where i can, handbrakes off, batteries off [ except the later stuff, dont want ecu's loosing the plot] and taking essential paperwork home,even draining compressor, it's like xmas, but at least with xmas, you knew when you were back in ! Have to look into maybe post redirection too, a relation was going to come and help me but latest is do not socialise, well, five days hey ? very very strange days, stay safe people
  36. 3 points
    You need to keep that going aslong as possible. Instruct him to collect it from your storage compound and give the address of a lr main dealer
  37. 3 points
    Friends and fellow traders on the forum please may all you and your family's stay safe and take care during these tough times with your health with the corona virus pandemic Hopefully all our business can all come back from it also in time wish everyone all the best .
  38. 3 points
    Its the free stocking loans thats sent prices shooting for the stars in my opinion Most of these stocking plans HAVE to be used to 80/90% of the designated amounts the lender gave to the trader , so as soon as one car is sold it has to be replaced or the trader loses the facility . Hence they will just about pay any price to turn stock so as not to lose the stocking facility or have it reduced . This has the effect of training sellers to work for nothing , The stocking companies just want the money to keep turning as thats where their profits come from . Stupid silly times in reality run by people who know nothing about the car trade , BCA are one of the lenders now too , designed to sell their own cars , they will fund anyone really because they actually want the stock to return back after taking massive profits for the 3 months on the loans/buyers fees etc . Then of course repeat the success with another sale to another smuk who pays for the privilege . Without these free money trees being handed to fools who cant see past their own eye lashes the trade would be very different and controlled by people who had their own money and wanted to earn a profit . Maybe when and if interest rates go up it might be beneficial to those who have their own financial money interests and want to earn a profit again . We will see .
  39. 3 points
    £15? I can see what you mean you are extremely generous, do you have the details of the garage that does the tracking for £15? Might start using them myself.
  40. 3 points
    Why wouldn't she. She's put her website in her profile, her full name is on the website, you type that name into Facebook and it returns a legitimate profile for the same person with that photo as a profile picture. She seems legit to me. Unlike many others on this forum.
  41. 3 points
    Hi I’m David. I’ve been buying and selling cars for the best part of 40 years and I haven’t any idea where to buy cars cheap.
  42. 3 points
    Customers, that means people who actually buy, ok. Punters, about 75% are cunts.
  43. 3 points
    "I feel it in my fingers, I feel it in my toes....." Sorry, couldn't resist it! Agree totally, its all about gut feeling me. You cant teach it and there are no rules.
  44. 3 points
    It’s overpriced crap, had it thought it was more designed for main dealers and car supermarkets, it was telling me to buy insignias etc which aren’t great sellers for us.
  45. 3 points
    Can't convert 'their' customer to your own finance but they wont think twice to convert 'your' customer to another dealers car so long as they get the deal.Facts.
  46. 3 points
  47. 3 points
    I'm certainly not reliant on trade with the EU , But i remember when two friends lost their trawlers after the EU stole their fishing grounds , one committed suicide actually his losses were so high , We lost touch with great traders after we joined the Common mkt and wasn't allowed to trade with them, after that it got worse . So trading deals works both ways in my view and i have never liked the close shop EU way . Regards my customers and yours , My view again is there will be customers in abundance when we get Britain back under our control again and stop the EU taking our factories and work out of this country , Plenty of British people would like the work I bet and that's were all our customers are , give people the work and pay them " they will spend it if they have it in their pockets " that money is no good for Britain if its in a Dutch/French/Polish/ workers pocket . We cant pay them if we don't make things , That's were my customers are . Regard trading with the EU , what on gods earth makes people think the EU farmers , Car Makers , Wine cheese and anything else trades wont want to trade with us after we leave , we want Britain back not build a bloody wall , we like our EU friends , its not war . We just need control back . watch others leave when we go . I for one don't believe a down turn is heading our way , but we need out before we lose anything else , to make it work , or we will get the euro , and a bunch of rules and they will bleed us dry doing it .
  48. 3 points
    Leave means leave, no if no buts no coconuts
  49. 3 points
    Did not screw the country it’s all conjecture. No one actually knows- but if we all get positive this country could actually be great again. Those that lost need to stop whinging and accept the result. I for one look forward to getting out.
  50. 3 points
    I think fear of no deal Brexit is what's presently driving the economy shrinking (though personally I'm hardly surprised, there is no immediate upside, and a lot of opportunity to lose trade for everyone). The banks grabbing cash will become the norm - https://www.mkfm.com/news/local-news/confirmed-saxon-bridge-liquidation/ Sad end to a good business that overstretched themselves, I suspect there may be many more. Keep debt manageable and build your business in a manner that can cope with good times and bad times (and never overspend in the good times, keep the profit for the bad times).